Monday, October 14, 2013

Pastor Ron Carpenter IS OFF THE WALL AND SHOULD RESIGN

 Pastor Ron Carpenter and Wife, Hope Carpenter, to Reconcile Marriage With Help of Bishop TD Jakes

Redemption World Outreach Center Leader Gives Update After Revealing in October Wife's Adultery, 'Sickness'

By Nicola Menzie , Christian Post Reporter
January 6, 2014|5:48 am
  • Redemption World Outreach Center Pastor Ron Carpenter and his wife, Hope Carpenter are seen in this undated photo.
    (Photo: www.rwoc.org)
    Redemption World Outreach Center Pastor Ron Carpenter and his wife, Hope Carpenter are seen in this undated photo.
 Ron Carpenter, pastor of Redemption World Outreach Center (RWOC) in Greenville, S.C., told his congregation on Sunday that he would be attempting, with the help of Bishop T.D. Jakes, to reconcile his marriage with his wife, Hope Carpenter, less than four months after revealing that she had committed adultery multiple times over the past 10 years and was voluntarily seeking psychiatric help.
"I ask for your prayers today as Hope and I begin reconciling our marriage. We know this will be a journey. Much love to each of (you)," read a notice on both Pastor Carpenter's and RWOC's Twitter accounts Sunday that was attributed to "Ron C."
A more detailed message on Facebook, also attributed to "Ron C" read: "I know many of you are waiting for updates. Thank you for your patience... Thank you for giving Hope her privacy as she needed intense ministry as well as a place and a time to heal.
"Today we turn our attention to reconciling our marriage. We believe that God has a miracle for us. I ask you to pray as we realize we have not chosen the easy route. Our desire is that somehow God receive glory out of our most difficult times...thank you all and we love you dearly."
Before sharing the news online regarding attempts to repair their marriage, Pastor Carpenter shared the update near the end of his sermon on Sunday with congregants at the Greenville campus and those watching via an online stream.
"I want you to pray for me. I'm leaving this campus today and I'm going and getting on a plane and I'm going to try and fix my marriage," Carpenter said, breaking the news.
Celebratory shouts of "hallelujah" and "glory" immediately erupted from congregants, many of whom stood to their feet in applause while others, apparently overwhelmed by the announcement, wiped tears from their eyes and embraced one another.
Seeming a bit overcome with emotion himself, the Pentecostal pastor added, "I had a very dramatic experience a few weeks ago with God that turned my heart. I just cannot let the enemy win. I cannot let him win."
Carpenter added, "I'm old school. I gave my heart away one time. I'm not giving it away no more. When a particular area of your life is so fought, then there must be some importance for it to receive so much attention. I have to believe that we are more powerful together than we are separately. And I can't let the name of the Lord bear shame. He has to have His glory, God's got to get glory. God's got to get glory."
Regarding details of the reconciliation efforts, Carpenter shared, "She has for long been willing. My heart is open for God to do a miracle. Bishop Jakes stepped in and we're going to be going together to a place of which I can't tell you, cause I'm like Abraham, I don't know where it is. I know it's off in the middle of nothing. All I can tell you is I want God to have His miracle. We need your prayer, because I thought and she thought about y'all, that if you look at us and see us not willing to fight, what message does that send to you?"
"We're gonna go, and I'm gonna swing as hard as I can swing at all the devils that's come against us. We are gonna get on the path of the greatest things that I believe God has ever done in our life and in you," he added.
Pastor Ron Carpenter preaches Sunday, Jan. 5, 2013, at Redemption World Outreach Center in Greenville, SC  (Photo: Screengrab)Pastor Ron Carpenter preaches Sunday, Jan. 5, 2013, at Redemption World Outreach Center in Greenville, S.C.
He told congregants that he loved them, and thanked them for "hanging in there with us."
"I'm broken over your willingness to be associated with people who have experienced such trouble. I'm sorry you've had to defend us. I'm sorry you've heard jokes. I'm sorry, and I can't change all that, but all I can do is get back in the game and give God his day. The critics have had their day. Let's give God His day."
Before bounding up the steps of the pulpit and walking off stage, Pastor Carpenter asked that congregants would pray for him and his wife.
It was last year, during a Sunday, Oct. 13 sermon, that the Redemption World Outreach Center pastor revealed to congregants the details of his broken marriage, which he attributed to his wife, Hope Hilley Carpenter's adultery and what he described as a "sickness."
Carpenter, who has been married for 23 years and shares three children with his wife, described their marriage as a "fairy tale" from 1990 to 2004, and said he could not even remember he and his wife having any arguments.
"I don't know what happened," a distraught Carpenter told the congregation in October. "I went home to a person that for the next 10 years I did not marry and I have not known."
Calling his wife's behavior "erratic, reckless, nonsensical, (and) destructive," Carpenter told his flock that he "sat through two years of grueling therapy with her to no avail" and that the situation continued to grow worse. The situation became even more strained, he said, when Hope Carpenter confessed in 2010 that she had been carrying on an extra-marital relationship for the past five years.
"She does not need wrath [or] anger. She needs prayer, she needs support and she needs miracles," Pastor Carpenter told congregants at the time.
Carpenter also had insisted in October that his position was "solid" on refraining from attempts to repair his marriage, and noted instead that his aim was to try and "help her [and] save her life."
As stated in his most sermon over the weekend, the minister has had a change of heart and is looking to God, and Bishop Jakes, to bring healing to their marriage.
When his troubles were revealed last October, Bishop Jakes, founding and senior pastor of The Potter's House in Dallas, Texas, was among several Christian ministers who offered words of support and prayer to Carpenter. He tweeted at the time, "Hold on sir. We care!"
Congregants react to Pastor Ron Carpenter's news about attempting to reconcile with his wife, Hope Hilley Carpenter, during a sermon on Sunday, Jan. 5, 2013, at Redemption World Outreach Center in Greenville, SC  (Photo: Screengrab)Congregants react to Pastor Ron Carpenter's news about attempting to reconcile with his wife, Hope Hilley Carpenter, during a sermon on Sunday, Jan. 5, 2013, at Redemption World Outreach Center in Greenville, S.C.
Hope Hilley Carpenter is an apostle along with her husband in the International Pentecostal Holiness Church, which claims more than 2 million members worldwide. She led Redemption World Outreach Center's Women of Hope Ministry and the annual Women of Hope conference, which took place last year from Sept. 12-14.

THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST IS ALL ABOUT THE SHEEP LOVING ONE ANOTHER AND NOT ABOUT EGOTISTIC CARNAL DEMONIC PASTORS

 I can never understand why people like the Carpenters have to parade their sin in front of the world in an attempt to justify their bad marriage relationship.  Most of these people on TV and with so-called mega-churches have no shame.

And, since when is sin called sickness?  If they had this problem, they should have resolved the issue privately.  It is always interesting that Pastor Ron used his wife as the scapegoat, just like Adam tried to do so.  They obviously had a serious problem in their relationship.  To advertise publicly that they are trying to reconcile is just another attempt to justify his neglect of his wife.  And, I am not giving her any excuse for what  she has done.  If he had any respect for his wife and his marriage, they should have resolved the problems before saying anything publicly.  But even then, it should have been resolved and thrown into the sea of forgetfulness.

After all, doesn’t the Apostle Paul tell us that “love does not keep a record of wrongs (Greek: pertaining to being socially or morally reprehensible, bad, evil; what is contrary to the law ).  When Jesus forgives us for our sin, He does not announce to the world that He forgave us for particular sin.  There is an early American book about a woman in New England who committed sin by having sexual relationship with her pastor.  She had to wear the letter “A” on her clothes which meant “Adulterer”.   She never revealed publicly who the father of her child was.  Meanwhile, he went about as if he had not committed adultery. This is what these people are doing to each other.  The have put the “A” on the woman.  It brings into question their integrity and when they publicly announce what is perceived as one side of the sin. 

Since the Scripture tells us, “for if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how can he care for God’s church?”  It is a rhetorical question that answers itself:  he should not be in leadership in the church.   Pastor Paul needs to resign and stop pointing the finger at his wife.   I counseled a couple some years ago in which the woman had confessed to her husband that she was committing adultery with 8 other men.  They came quietly to me for reconciliation and restoration of their marriage.  She resigned her position as the administrator in the church she was involved.  They were able to go ahead in a new relationship with each other allowing Jesus to be the head of their household.

Pastor Ron should have kept the affair quiet.  He has put shame on his wife while trying to justify himself.  This is a serious breach of confidentiality on the part of Pastor Ron because his wife told him about it as both a pastor and a husband.  For this breach of confidentiality alone, Pastor Ron should resign.  This is not the way of the Lord.  And, if she did ask him for forgiveness for what she had done.  That should have been the end of telling anybody about what happened  except the marriage counselor who could have shown them how to bring their marriage under the Lordship of Jesus.  There are a lot of clergy who need to learn a lesson from the Roman Catholic Church where their priests cannot break the confidentiality of the confession of any sin without the person’s permission.  They will even go to jail to maintain the confidentiality of the confession of any sin.  It will be a real miracle if this marriage can be saved.  This is an instance of what Jesus said, when he was asked, “Why did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce , and put her away?”  H said to them, “For the hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning, it was not so” (Matt. 19: 3 – 8).  I can see this “hardness of heart” in people when they publicly announce  their spouse’s sin to gain the sympathy of others and to justify their inability to manage their own households.


PASTOR RON CARPENTER IS OFF THE WALL AND BELONGS IN A LOONEY FARM 

PEOPLE ARE WAKING UP AND REALIZING THESE SO CALLED LEADERS ARE USELESS. THE BOY CROSSED THE LINE.

YES, WE EXPOSE FALSE DOCTRINES AND WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING TO GIVE OTHER AWARENESS. BUT, IT IS NOT "PERSONAL"

THAT BOY MADE IT "PERSONAL"

HUSBAND AND WIFE ARE "ONE".

Weeping, Pastor Ron Carpenter Confesses ‘Horror’ of His Marriage








Pastor Ron Carpenter told a horror story to his Redemption World Outreach Center congregation on Sunday. It was a story of betrayal and brokenness that led to the Pentecostal leader breaking down sobbing in front of his megachurch, located in Greenville, S.C.

After more than one long-term affair, Carpenter’s wife, Hope, voluntarily checked in to a one-year rehabilitation program over the weekend. Her psychological state is so fragile that doctors are beginning immediate treatment.
Charisma News previously reported on Carpenter’s initial announcement and his decision not to reconcile with his wife.
When Hope confessed her first affair in 2010, Carpenter wound up in the hospital. Doctors thought he was having a heart attack. The stress of keeping his wife’s infidelity and emotional instability a secret for nearly a decade took its toll on themegachurch pastor.
“I cannot tell you the horror of having something like plutonium inside of me, a secret in me," Carpenter told his church. "And I have to grab a microphone every Sunday and Wednesday and talk to the world, having lost all my confidence, humiliated, shamed and embarrassed.” 
“There was no remorse. There was no compassion," he continued, describing his wife's behavior. "The erratic behavior, random, random, reckless, careless behavior only escalated, and the situation in 2011, 2012 just deteriorated worse and worse. I don’t know how I have come before you and done what I have done. The state of my mind and the preoccupation ... the volatility of my home. I don’t know how I’ve done what I’ve done.”
Carpenter had renewed hope in January when he said something started turning.
“Her motherhood started coming back," he said. "Her attitude toward me began to change. She began to have a desire again to be restored to ministry. I saw her devotional life pick back up. I saw her time with God begin to be productive and consistent. ... I thought, 'Maybe we have done it. Maybe we've beat this thing.'”
Despite renewed hope, Carpenter soon found out his wife had started another affair right after she broke off the first one. His wife was actually having an affair during the entire restoration process, and he never knew it.
Still, Carpenter is walking in the Word.
“Hope is not well," he told his congregation. "You need to know that. We don’t know what’s wrong. But these are not the actions of anybody that is right. I am bearing the expense of one year of treatment that is extensive, calling together the best Christian counselors and clinical psychiatrists and therapists that money can buy, and I am committed totally and completely to my kids one day having a mother that is whole and that is well.”


SEE ALSO  http://www.charismanews.com/us/41358-after-multiple-affairs-pastor-ron-carpenter-s-wife-seeks-psychiatric-treatment

Redemption World Outreach pastor reveals personal troubles in sermon

Posted: Oct 15, 2013 9:43 PM EST Updated: Oct 16, 2013 8:35 AM EST
Source: Redemption World Outreach Source: Redemption World Outreach
GREENVILLE, SC (FOX Carolina) - Pastors Ron and Hope Carpenter have been fixtures in the Upstate community for years since forming Redemption World Outreach, one of the first mega-churches in this area.
On Sunday during his sermon, Carpenter said his wife is in isolation in a one-year treatment program in a situation he called tragic.
During the sermon, Carpenter said he and Hope had gone through 10 years of struggles. During the weekend, she checked in to a rehabilitation program out of state, where she will remain for an entire program.
The Carpenters have been married for 23 years. Carpenter said at first it was like a fairy tale.
"It was amazing; she was the absolute love of my life. It was the first time I've ever given my heart away - never intending to give it away again," Carpenter explained.
The fairy tale ended however on Easter Sunday 2004 when Carpenter said Hope changed.
"She totally removed herself from ministry, totally removed herself from women of Hope, she never spoke, she never preached," he said.
He said the behavior continued during the next six years. And in 2010, Carpenter said Hope admitted to having multiple affairs. It was at the same time Redemption World Outreach was putting together a marriage conference.
"The marriage conference was already half way sold out, and $25,000 worth of deposits were made for rooms and we couldn't back out. I had no idea what to do," said Carpenter.
The conference went on in 2011 but it was canceled in 2012. Carpenter said during this time he and Hope went to therapy.
But it was early last week when things hit rock bottom. Carpenter said Hope admitted to having even more affairs and said everything deteriorated from that point.
"In the state which I saw my wife leave I wouldn't want anyone anywhere to have access to her. It is that bad," said Carpenter.
Carpenter told WORD Radio Monday morning that the infidelity is only five percent of what's going on in Hope's life.
"There were two distinct double lives. This is not a fling. Not an affair. There was a whole other life and culture and dress code and friends," explained Carpenter.
A lot of people have asked why Carpenter decided to go public with all this Sunday during his sermon.
He responded by saying, "I have to tell my people because I know them. I do teach them faith, I do teach them to believe that there is a God that does miracles. But I could not mislead them because the behavior has become so detrimental to the family unit I ‘m having to turn my efforts to bring some stability at home."
Carpenter said he doesn't plan to reconcile with Hope and went on to say he has no plans in stepping down as Senior Pastor at Redemption World Outreach.



RON AND HOPE CARPENTER ARE FALSE APOSTLES  


SOME ONE SHOULD TELL PASTOR RON CARPENTER THAT JESUS CHRIST WHO IS THE SAME YESTERDAY TODAY AND FOREVER HEALS EVEN CHRISTIANS OF EVIL SPIRITS AND INFIRMITIES

Mark 16:9 Now when He rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven demons.

Luke 8: 2 and certain women who had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities --- Mary called Magdalene, out of whom had come seven demons,

I DIDN'T THINK THAT REAL CHRISTIANS BELIEVE IN PSYCHIATRY OR PSYCHIATRISTS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT BIBLICAL BUT IN JESUS THE HEALER AND DELIVERER?

FREUD WHO INVENTED PSYCHIATRY WAS A SEX MANIAC AND IN REALITY PSYCHIATRISTS HEAL AND DELIVER NO ONE?

ALL THESE SO CALLED CHRISTIANS ARE CRAZY AND WHAT IS THE ROOT PROBLEM

Jeremiah 2:13 " For My people have committed two evils: They have forsaken Me, the fountain of living waters, And hewn themselves cisterns --- broken cisterns that can hold no water.

PSYCHIATRISTS ARE BROKEN CISTERNS

Kathie D. Trombleyrieck-scull I am sorry, but Like the rest of the world I don't see this as news, and don't seem to think that such a private matter should be made public, this Pastor should have kept this to a trustworthy few for pray and council and Charisma News should not of reported on it!

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Hi Bob & Walter:

This Ron Carpenter is even more sick than his wife.  It’s no wonder that she has had a breakdown.  For him to parade his wife’s health problems is a breach of confidentiality. He had no business parading his wife’s indiscretions in his attempt to make him look like a perfect Christian.  His attempt to portray himself as some kind of a “perfect, non-sexual” person who dated his wife for 10 years has got to be most self-righteous attitude I have ever heard.  To have the unmitigated gall to stand up and tell his congregation and visitors about his wife’s indiscretions sounds like the “unforgiving servant” (Matt. 18: 23 – 35).  Why did he have to date her for 10 years.  When I met my wife, we were married within one year.  When Jesus brings us together with the person that He has chosen to be our spouse, then we go ahead.   What was his problem that he waited 10 years?  Pastor Ron Carpenter is the one who needs to seek Psychiatric treatment.

I have counselled too many of these self-described Pastors and christians who drive their wives to distraction by their neglect and pre-occupation of seeing themselves as being “perfect in the wrong sense of the word” like the elder brother in the “Parable of the Prodigal Son”(Lk. 15: 11 – 32) who complained to his father, “Lo these many years I have served you and I never disobeyed your command.”  As Mark Twain once said about the Prodigal Son’s elder brother, can be said of  Pastor Ron Carpenter” “He was perfect in the worst sense of that word!What he has been neglecting is that he, himself, has been committing adultery with the “bride of Christ” the Church of Jesus Christ, while neglecting his own wife and family.  I do not justify adultery but when a person is married to somebody who is perfect in his own eyes, their spouse through neglect and personal put-downs turns herself/himself to find some kind of loving support that they are not receiving.  Paul write something about “agape love” that Pastor Ron Carpenter needs to remember: “love does not keep a record of wrongs” (1 Cor. 13: 5).  If a Christian person has forgiven his/her spouse, it means that we cannot even mention it.  His defense of himself demonstrates that he is a self-centered Pharisee trying to clear himself of all responsibility.  He is one of the worst kinds of pastors.  

This has nothing to do with deliverance from demons.  It has more to do with a self-centred pastor who thinks that he can excuse himself for his neglect of his wife.  And, she is not eternally lost because this is not the sin of “blasphemy against the Holy Spirit” (Mk. 3: 29; Lk. 12: 10).  If she repents, she will receive forgiveness and eternal life .  But, her  husband,Pastor Ron Carpenter also needs to repent for the hurt and bad performance as a husband and a pastor.

Can you send this on to Jennifer LeClaire.   Thanks!

Yours in Jesus Christ,  Gordon   

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  2. I agree with what is being said - a man who cannot manage his household; cannot and should not be a pastor over any church - this man needs to repent, prostrate himself before God, fast and pray for deliverance, healing, repentance and restoration. Mental health professionals cannot heal/restore anything with their clinical therapy methods - I know I have went down that road and it doesn't work!! To God be the glory!

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  3. Lotta self-righteous Pharisees on here casting their stones at the Carpenters.
    You're exactly the kind of people Jesus had a problem with.
    Let he who has no sin cast the first stone.

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  4. The scripture is clear. He is to sit down and learn of God. He is disqualified as a minister over the flock of God. No condemnation here just going by the word. May he find another job and minister to the needs of his family. He lied for a multitude of years. That is so sad for the congregation who loved trusted and big time supported him. He ows it to them to humbly step down. Please.

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